WilfriedB Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 Using Advanced search with AI Labels is empty does not work as expected. The result shows all items, even when there are AI Labels, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1w Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 I just came to the forums to report the exact same issue. I've used the new build to successfully generate AI tags for a few thousand photos, but advanced search to find empty labels shows all items. Furthermore, under the Tags pane, the number of AI Tags listed as "Unknown" never goes down, even as photos are successfully tagged and appear elsewhere in the AI tags list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilfriedB Posted November 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 I just realized, AI Labels is empty is partially working. In the sense, it correctly excludes all images which were in the catalog, before I enabled AI tagging for the very first time. All images added to the catalog after that point in time, are tagged with an AI Label "Unknown", even if they were tagged now and are falsely considered as AI Labels is empty : (Ignore the following screen shot. It was accidentally taken and I am not able to remove it from this post anymore 😢 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilfriedB Posted November 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 On 11/27/2019 at 2:57 AM, k1w said: generate AI tags for a few thousand photos Literally several thousands? During what time frame did you do that? Did you watch the Google "IAM & Admin" Quotas console ( https://console.cloud.google.com/iam-admin/quotas?project=yourproject&service=vision.googleapis.com ) ? It is still not quite clear to me, how Google accounts for the number of Cloud Vision API calls and what the "Limit" of 1,800 really means. It say "Requests per minutes" but the "Current Usage" counter was slowly increasing and 1,776 could be the number of images I requested AI labels fo yesterday. Update: I just noticed the current usage says 1.776 (decimal point - not thousands separator). This makes more sense and it is probably impossible to ever exceed the limit of 1,800 requests per minute with a single Daminion server! cheers Wilfried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1w Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 9 hours ago, WilfriedB said: Literally several thousands? During what time frame did you do that? Did you watch the Google "IAM & Admin" Quotas console ( https://console.cloud.google.com/iam-admin/quotas?project=yourproject&service=vision.googleapis.com ) ? It is still not quite clear to me, how Google accounts for the number of Cloud Vision API calls and what the "Limit" of 1,800 really means. It say "Requests per minutes" but the "Current Usage" counter was slowly increasing and 1,776 could be the number of images I requested AI labels fo yesterday. Update: I just noticed the current usage says 1.776 (decimal point - not thousands separator). This makes more sense and it is probably impossible to ever exceed the limit of 1,800 requests per minute with a single Daminion server! I was selecting a batch of 1000 files, generating AI tags, and then walking away, so I don't know exactly how long it took to complete. But on my Google console, ti's showing a peak over the past 7 days of just over 200, comparable current usage, and so overall looks a lot similar to what you posted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilfriedB Posted November 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 Thanks k1w. Later on I realized, I confused 1,776 with 1.776 and my observation match yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1w Posted December 5, 2019 Report Share Posted December 5, 2019 Is there any update on being able to search for only photos with no AI Tags? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilfriedB Posted December 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 9 hours ago, k1w said: Is there any update on being able to search for only photos with no AI Tags? Agree, I am waiting ... hoping for a fix too! Meanwhile, I found my own workaround: Since AI Labels is not empty does work correctly, I tagged all of them with "AI Label present", so I can negate that tag. Initially I used Keywords for that, but I did not like the fact, this (hopefully temporary) tag is written to the metadata by the Synchronization process. To avoid this, I now used Office Document Subject, which doesn't seem to appear, when I show all tags with ExifTool. The down side however, is the fact the Synchronization process is started for each of those images anyway and takes a lot of time and resources 😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daria Kotilainen Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 Hello guys, my apologies for the delay with the reply. The issue is registered and will be fixed, however, I cannot give you a time frame when, my apologies The sample and advanced search is not working for AI labels now, only the search withing the tags panel. My apologies for the inconveniences! Kind regards, Daria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilfriedB Posted December 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 One more observation: You cannot add an AI Label manually (probably works as designed, but I'm not sure, it makes sense), but you can remove one of those labels. However, unless you perform an Undo immediately, you can never restore it. If you repeat, Generate AI Labels for that image, nothing happens or if you export to CSV (which does include AI Labels) and import it again, the missing AI Label will not be restored. One exception though: If there is another item still having that label, you can select both, right click that label in the Properties panel and select Assign 'xx' to selected (y) items from the context menu. This seems to be a way to assign AI Labels manually - sort of 'manually', since it must already exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilfriedB Posted December 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Daria Kotilainen said: The sample and advanced search is not working for AI labels now Searching for specific AI Labels works for me in Build 2018 (as well as searching for AI Labels not empty). However, it does not work in <filter tags> at the top of the tags tree. Edited December 9, 2019 by WilfriedB Remark for <filter tag> was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daria Kotilainen Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 Hi guys, please try out a new build - the work with AI labels has been improved kind regards, Daria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalain Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 58 minutes ago, Daria Kotilainen said: Hi guys, please try out a new build - the work with AI labels has been improved kind regards, Daria Is there a link for Standalone version ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daria Kotilainen Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 23 hours ago, kalain said: Is there a link for Standalone version ? Hi Kalain, you can download the latest standalone version from here but AI lables are only available in the server Daria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1w Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 10:09 AM, Daria Kotilainen said: Hi guys, please try out a new build - the work with AI labels has been improved kind regards, Daria Build 2030 still has problems with searching for "AI Tags" "is empty". It returns all files as matches. But it looks like "AI Tags" "is not empty" correctly finds files with AI tags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daria Kotilainen Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Could you please show me a screenshot of how many files are Unassigned under the AI labels tag (on the tags panel)? kind regards, Daria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1w Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 If "Unknown" is the same as Unassigned, then all 48k+ photos are listed as Unknown, even though 16k+ of them have AI Tags (as correctly detected by the "is not empty" search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1w Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Tried with the new 6.3 build that was announced today. Still seems to be a problem searching for empty AI labels: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daria Kotilainen Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Hi, do I correctly understand that you have in total 48449 files in your database that are shown as unknown but 16k of them are tagged with the labels? Could you please try to run the database optimization via Catalog > Optimize? Please note that the optimization is running on the background up to 20 minutes after the optimization window is closed Kind regards Daria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1w Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 That is correct. 48449 total files of which 16k of them have AI labels (done by repeating batches of 1000 files at a time). I will try the optimization now and report back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1w Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 No change after completing optimization. Searching for "AI Labels is empty" matches 48449 out of 48449 items. Searching for "AI Labels is not empty" matches 16095 out of 48449 items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daria Kotilainen Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 Hi we are going to have a remote session with Wilfried today to take a look at the issue - i will report what we find. kind regards, Daria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daria Kotilainen Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 Hi guys, we've just finished the remote session with Wilfried there seems to be an issue with the syntax - the Unknown is not the same as Unassigned in the other tags, my colleague Valery will take a deeper look into the issue on Monday, based on Wilfried's backup Daria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1w Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 Any update following the remote session with Wilfried? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1w Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Bumping this to see if there's been any progress made the issues with AI labels -- searching for empty, recovering deleted AI labels, etc.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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