mr.peterjohansson Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Hello It does not work to search for words containing the Swedish letters å, ä, ö I use Daminion Build 958 Anyone know why? Regards Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.peterjohansson Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Does not work in Win 8.1 but works in win 7 32 Both with Daminion 958 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murat Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 How do you search for a word that contains let's say "å" symbol? gården or garden? The second search phrase will not find items with the gården tag. However we'll add support for synonyms in the next Daminion version (~3.2), and for words with umlaut symbols we'll create a synonyms without umlauts, so you can search for images with gården using garden key word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lintujuh Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Creating synonyms without umlauts can create problems. In Finnish: – pässi = a ram – passi = a passport As a Finn I would search Finnish words with umlauts, typing the words without umlauts would be unnatural. I don't know how French feel about their accented vowels. -Juha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.peterjohansson Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 How do you search for a word that contains let's say "å" symbol? gården or garden? The second search phrase will not find items with the gården tag. However we'll add support for synonyms in the next Daminion version (~3.2), and for words with umlaut symbols we'll create a synonyms without umlauts, so you can search for images with gården using garden key word. I search with å..gården..only problen in win 8.1 not in win 7 ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murat Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I search with å..gården..only problen in win 8.1 not in win 7?? This feature will work in Daminion 3.1 or 3.2 version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammut Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Hm, I waited for the synonyms with Hungarian keywords, but I tried this now, and the search is not working with Hungarian letters either: ö, Å‘, ü, ű. I'm using Win7. And in the Catalog Tags tab it puts all keywords with á, é, Ã, ó, ö, Å‘, ú, ü, ű to the end of the list, and not in their correct places in the alphabetical order (a, á... e, é... i, Ã... o, ó, ö, Å‘... u, ú, ü, ű). (By the way, there is any news about the synonyms and controlled vocabulary? I'm going crazy waiting for it. :D) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murat Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Creating synonyms without umlauts can create problems. In Finnish: – pässi = a ram – passi = a passport As a Finn I would search Finnish words with umlauts, typing the words without umlauts would be unnatural. I don't know how French feel about their accented vowels. Probably this should be an optional feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murat Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (By the way, there is any news about the synonyms and controlled vocabulary? I'm going crazy waiting for it. :D) It works in the test build, but there are some minor options that should be implemented and tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammut Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 It works in the test build, but there are some minor options that should be implemented and tested. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lintujuh Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 This whole internationalization is a mess. I did some software development in plain C very very long time ago and I introduced myself to the question of internationalization (I18N). The sorting order and interpretation of the accented/umlauted letters vary from language to language. E.g. in German ä = ae in sorting, but in Finnish/Swedish it is sorted in order z, å, ä, ö. In Norwegian/Danish where ä is written æ and ö is written ø the sorting order is z, æ, ø, å. If you would follow strictly the Finnish sorting rules then v = w in sorting, which is not the case in Swedish/Norwegian/Danish. In Norwegian/Danish sorting aa = å, so where singe 'a' is the first the double 'a' is the last in sorting. In Finnish/Swedish this is not the case, 'aa' would be sorted directly after single 'a' or 'a' and a space. My proposal is, if there is no full I18N support in the Daminion programming language, to use the ISO-8859 as basis or strip of all accents/umlauts. Selecting between the two options would be a choice for the user. Otherwise IMHO Daminion development team will end up in a situation where the focus of the development efforts in a secondary issue. -Juha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montonero Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 This whole internationalization is a mess. I did some software development in plain C very very long time ago and I introduced myself to the question of internationalization (I18N). In a modern world of Windows development most of the work do numerous APIs and frameworks. Developer just needs courage and brain to use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lintujuh Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Exactly. Things have progressed from my development days. And the point I tried to make was that find the right tools (APIs and frameworks) that really support the I18N, as @montonero says and use them – or do some very elementary things and stick to that. It will be a big effort to do I18N support properly from scratch and there would always come new languages that have their own special rules. IMO that is not worth it. -Juha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lintujuh Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I noticed interesting thing today, the tags are sorted differently in the personal edition and the server edition. I'm in a middle of moving my catalog from the personal edition to the server edition. I'm recreating the server catalog from the original images so I can verify that the tagging information has been properly included into the images. When comparing the information I noticed that the sort order in personal edition was – Vappu – Verna – Väinö – Weekend and in the server – Vappu – Weekend – Verna – Väinö The sorting order in the server edition is exactly right. According to the Finnish grammar rules in sorting V = W. -Juha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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