lintujuh Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I have an image that has a nested tag in Collections "Excercise|Valokuvailmaisun pk|Ex 6" when I copy the tags and paste them into another image the Collections tag becomes "Ex 6" at the top level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murat Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Hi Juha! Do you see the "Ex 6" collection with parent tags after re-selecting an image? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lintujuh Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Hi Murat! The tag is there even if I restart Daminion. Interesting thing is, that when I delete the "Ex 6" tag and do copy paste tags again, then the "Ex 6" tag is in the right place in the hierarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lintujuh Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I noticed another issue related to copy-paste tags. In the same images I had a category tag "Architecture|Historical Architecture" and the pasted version of this tag has become "Architecture|Historical Architec". PS. I'm running v911 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murat Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Was the pasted tag truncated right after applying the "Paste Tags" command or did you invoke the "Read Tags from File" after the "Paste Tags" command. Please also check metadata of this image via ExifTool ((Item > Actions > Display All Metadata) and tell me whether this truncated category is existed in the IPTC section? IPTC Category has a limitation of 32 symbols, and your truncated category also contains 32 symbols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lintujuh Posted December 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 You were right, the truncated category is in the IPTC section. I also checked the original image, from which I copied the tags from, and the tag was also there truncated to "...Architec". I need to change my category naming scheme, because I wasn't aware of the limitation of 32 characters. I would also be good idea, if Daminion would show a warning, if there limitations in the underlying specs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murat Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 You were right, the truncated category is in the IPTC section. I also checked the original image, from which I copied the tags from, and the tag was also there truncated to "...Architec". I need to change my category naming scheme, because I wasn't aware of the limitation of 32 characters. I would also be good idea, if Daminion would show a warning, if there limitations in the underlying specs. These problems appear only if "Compatibility with old programs" option is checked in the "Writing Metadata" secion in your Preferences. By default Daminion writes to XMP that doesn't have such limitations. However Daminion while importing tries to analyze whether the truncated category is subset of the "normal" category from the XMP section, and doesn't import it if it does. I'll recheck it. Updated: just checked it, and all seems Ok on my side. Maybe this is an category created by an old Daminion version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lintujuh Posted December 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Probably yes, I have been using Daminion from 2011. What is your recommendation, how I could convert the old scheme to a new? Write tags from Daminion to images, use exiftool to copy tags from image to xmp, or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murat Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 What is your recommendation, how I could convert the old scheme to a new? Write tags from Daminion to images, use exiftool to copy tags from image to xmp, or what? You can just remove the truncated entries in your catalog tags panel. That is. Daminion should ignore truncated IPTC versions of the Keywords and Categories while importing image metadata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorOne Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 I'm using the latest version of Daminian 3.0 (994) still noticing problem with truncated Categories in files. Used import Wizard to import data from HDD and had option selected to create categories from directory names. Categories look fine when viewed in Daminian, but if I view file metadata - category info was written only in to IPTC:SupplementalCategory. If I rewrite metadata in the file with Actions->Write Tags to File, category still gets written in to IPTC:SupplementalCategory I have the following option "Preferences:Writing Metadata:Add Comparability with Windows Explorer and old programs" UNCHECKED, so Daminion should be writing to XMP, but it's writing to IPTC anyway. According to "Daminian Metadata Mapping Rules" - Categories should be written in to XMP:Photoshop:SupplementalCategories, but it's not the case! Categories are actually being written in to IPTC:SupplementalCategory, and there is NOTHING being written in to XMP:Photoshop:SupplementalCategories tag. Please investigate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murat Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Could you please update to the Daminion 3.2 1006 build and check again. What media format did you try to update? Can you send me a sample file? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorOne Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Could you please update to the Daminion 3.2 1006 build and check again. I updated to build 1006 today. The problem still remains. What media format did you try to update? JPEG Can you send me a sample file? IMG_0864.JPG is in the attachment as an example of the problem When importing pictures in to Daminian, I checked "Create Categories From Folder Names" in "Choose Files To Import" dialog box. Image in the attachment was residing in the following directory: "Q:\Media\Personal\Pictures\Inbox\Car repair photos\Workshop\Forklifting stuff" After sorting and organizing categories in Daminion, it ended-up in the following category: "Workshop|Equipment|Material Handling|Machinery|Yale Forklift" JPEG metadata is now showing up in ExifTool as IPTC - Suplemental Categories: "Workshop|Equipment|Material Hand" Note that it is truncated after 32 characters. I would like to get my categories information out of Daminion database and back in to my pictures. Please help! ---- ExifTool ---- ExifTool Version Number 9.44 ---- File ---- File Name IMG_0864.JPG Directory Q:/Media/Personal/Pictures/Inbox/Car repair photos/Workshop/Forklifting stuff File Size 2.6 MB File Modification Date/Time 2014:05:14 11:47:43-04:00 File Access Date/Time 2014:05:14 11:47:43-04:00 File Creation Date/Time 2012:12:24 19:50:08-05:00 File Permissions rw-rw-rw- File Type JPEG MIME Type image/jpeg Exif Byte Order Little-endian (Intel, II) Current IPTC Digest 178731ccc72544ba0841c863f7a300a0 Image Width 4000 Image Height 3000 Encoding Process Baseline DCT, Huffman coding Bits Per Sample 8 Color Components 3 Y Cb Cr Sub Sampling YCbCr4:2:2 (2 1) ---- EXIF ---- Make Canon Camera Model Name Canon PowerShot SD960 IS Orientation Horizontal (normal) X Resolution 180 Y Resolution 180 Resolution Unit inches Modify Date 2014:05:14 11:47:43 Y Cb Cr Positioning Co-sited Exposure Time 1/15 F Number 2.8 ISO 500 Exif Version 0221 Date/Time Original 2012:12:24 18:50:09 Create Date 2012:12:24 18:50:09 Components Configuration Y, Cb, Cr, - Compressed Bits Per Pixel 3 Shutter Speed Value 1/15 Aperture Value 2.8 Max Aperture Value 2.8 Flash Auto, Fired, Red-eye reduction Focal Length 5.0 mm Flashpix Version 0100 Color Space sRGB Exif Image Width 4000 Exif Image Height 3000 Interoperability Index R98 - DCF basic file (sRGB) Interoperability Version 0100 Related Image Width 4000 Related Image Height 3000 Focal Plane X Resolution 16393.44262 Focal Plane Y Resolution 16393.44262 Focal Plane Resolution Unit inches Sensing Method One-chip color area File Source Digital Camera Custom Rendered Normal Exposure Mode Auto Digital Zoom Ratio 1 Scene Capture Type Standard Lens Model 5-20mm Compression JPEG (old-style) Thumbnail Offset 5120 Thumbnail Length 6582 ---- MakerNotes ---- Macro Mode Normal Self Timer Off Quality Fine Canon Flash Mode Red-eye reduction (Auto) Continuous Drive Single Focus Mode Single Record Mode JPEG Canon Image Size Large Easy Mode Full auto Digital Zoom None Contrast Normal Saturation Normal Sharpness 0 Camera ISO Auto Metering Mode Evaluative Focus Range Auto AF Point Face Detect Canon Exposure Mode Easy Lens Type Unknown (-1) Max Focal Length 20 mm Min Focal Length 5 mm Focal Units 1000/mm Max Aperture 2.8 Min Aperture 5.6 Flash Bits E-TTL, Built-in Focus Continuous Continuous AE Setting Normal AE Image Stabilization On Zoom Source Width 4000 Zoom Target Width 4000 Spot Metering Mode Center Manual Flash Output n/a Focal Type Zoom Focal Plane X Size 6.35 mm Focal Plane Y Size 4.75 mm Auto ISO 486 Base ISO 100 Measured EV 4.44 Target Aperture 2.8 Target Exposure Time 1/15 Exposure Compensation 0 White Balance Auto Slow Shutter Off Shot Number In Continuous Burst 0 Optical Zoom Code 0 Flash Guide Number 6 Flash Exposure Compensation 0 Auto Exposure Bracketing Off AEB Bracket Value 0 Control Mode Camera Local Control Focus Distance Upper 3.72 m Focus Distance Lower 0 m Bulb Duration 0 Camera Type Compact Auto Rotate None ND Filter Off Self Timer 2 0 Flash Output 400 Canon Image Type IMG:PowerShot SD960 IS JPEG Canon Firmware Version Firmware Version 1.01 File Number 106-0864 Owner Name Rotation 0 Camera Temperature 12 C Canon Model ID PowerShot SD960 IS / Digital IXUS 110 IS / IXY Digital 510 IS AF Area Mode Multi-point AF or AI AF Num AF Points 9 Valid AF Points 9 Canon Image Width 4000 Canon Image Height 3000 AF Image Width 100 AF Image Height 100 AF Area Widths 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 AF Area Heights 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 AF Area X Positions -18 0 18 -18 0 18 -18 0 18 AF Area Y Positions -18 -18 -18 0 0 0 18 18 18 AF Points In Focus 4 Primary AF Point 4 Thumbnail Image Valid Area 0 0 0 0 Date Stamp Mode Off My Color Mode Off Firmware Revision 1.01 rev 4.00 Categories (none) Intelligent Contrast Off Image Unique ID 2373635df3e42271db40d1b54498f9d5 VRD Offset 0 ---- XMP ---- XMP Toolkit XMP Core 5.4.0 Metadata Date 2014:05:14 11:47:43-04:00 ICC Profile Name sRGB IEC61966-2.1 Photographic Sensitivity 500 ---- IPTC ---- Coded Character Set UTF8 Application Record Version 4 Supplemental Categories Workshop|Equipment|Material Hand Date Created 2012:12:24 Time Created 18:50:09-05:00 ---- Photoshop ---- IPTC Digest 178731ccc72544ba0841c863f7a300a0 ---- Composite ---- Aperture 2.8 Flash Exposure Compensation 0 Date/Time Created 2012:12:24 18:50:09-05:00 Drive Mode Single-frame Shooting Flash Type Built-In Flash Image Size 4000x3000 Lens 5.0 - 20.0 mm Lens ID Canon 5-20mm Red Eye Reduction Off Scale Factor To 35 mm Equivalent 5.6 Shooting Mode Full auto Shutter Curtain Sync 1st-curtain sync Shutter Speed 1/15 Thumbnail Image (Binary data 6582 bytes, use -b option to extract) Circle Of Confusion 0.005 mm Field Of View 65.6 deg Focal Length 5.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 27.9 mm) Hyperfocal Distance 1.66 m Lens 5.0 - 20.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 27.9 - 111.7 mm) Light Value 4.6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorOne Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 I could not attach the picture that I was referencing in my previous post, because my photo was 2.6 mb and apperently web site is not allowing images over 2mb to be uploaded here. So as a work-around I made a copy, resized that image and uploaded that smaller version here in the attachment - "IMG_0864 - Copy.JPG" Interestingly - when I import this copy of the original image in to Daminion, it gets placed in to correct non-truncated category. So perhaps the issues is not with Daminion, but with Exiftool not showing xmp tag where this category information is being written in to? Can you confirm as I still would like to verify that I can see category information outside Daminion? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorOne Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Ok, I found the problem: Daminion writes data in to XMP:SupplementalCategories AND in to IPTC:SupplementalCategories fields By default for duplicate tags EXIFTOOL only shows one tag and IPTC tags have higher priority than XMP, so only IPTC:SupplementalCategories is shown. I reran exiftool with -a switch and now it shows both, e.g. for my picture it produced this: ---- XMP ---- SupplementalCategories : Workshop|Equipment|Material Handling|Machinery|Moving Palletized Loads ---- IPTC ---- SupplementalCategories : Workshop|Equipment|Material Hand Now I can extract my categories without them getting truncated. Think I'll move categories in to Keywords, as other DAM program and Lightroom don't really support categories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murat Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Your categories were successfully written into the XMP, but as you said: ExifTool doesn't display the hole XMP block in the "Show All Metadata" window. IPTC has significant limitations for length of the fields: Categories are limited by 32 symbols, Keywords are limited by 64 Symbols. Daminion truncates Categories and Keywords while updating the IPTC block but saves them correctly into the XMP block. Read also our tutorial about using the Categories and Keywords: https://help.daminion.net/tips/categories-vs-keywords/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorOne Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Your categories were successfully written into the XMP, but as you said: ExifTool doesn't display the hole XMP block in the "Show All Metadata" window. IPTC has significant limitations for length of the fields: Categories are limited by 32 symbols, Keywords are limited by 64 Symbols. Daminion truncates Categories and Keywords while updating the IPTC block but saves them correctly into the XMP block. Read also our tutorial about using the Categories and Keywords: https://help.daminion.net/tips/categories-vs-keywords/ Yep. I'm slowly learning. Also, as far as writing - according to that tutorial only XMP should be written, e.g.: Categories Mapping Read: XMP: Photoshop.SupplementalCategories IPTC: SupplementalCategory Write: XMP: Photoshop.SupplementalCategories And "DAMINION METADATA MAPPING RULES" also states that IMPC categories are only for reading, no writing e.g. https://daminion.net/files/daminion-metadata-mapping-rules.pdf Overall I think it's better to use keywords anyways, because other programs tend to ignore categories, there as keywords are commonly supported and accomplish the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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